YOU GUYS ARE WEAK!

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Ok after many many post and so forth I am going to post below a small part of what has been posted in some other forums on this topic.

Bottom line, our honorcode says -
gltiches / super bouncing to gain and unfair advantage in MATCH MAKING is not allowed.

From the Cheating FAQ in the Halo 2 Section of Bungie.net it says:

"Q Bungie says quitting or "super jumping" isn't cheating but can't the guy I just beat leave me negative feedback and get me in trouble anyways?

A Yes, they can. However, as stated above, simply having someone give you negative feedback isn't going to result in a ban. To be extra safe, avoid doing those things you think may be misconstrued as cheating. And, keep in mind, the Bungie team is working on ways to address some of these in-game glitches and exploits."

Bungie DOES say it is defined as "manipulating or interfering with aspects of the game or networking to give yourself or your team an unfair advantage."

We can debate this forever I am sure but, our honorcode says don't do it so until that changes, don't do it in matchmaking.
Custom games? get BXR'd by cav or just don't get that close to him. LOL!!

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

Thats what I mean, there is different intensitys of cheating. To bungie everything from button glitching- superbouncing- standbying- modding is all cheating. Now when someone is modding or standbying in matchmaking, boot them. Thats just ridiculous. But if button glitching and superbouncing is going to get people kicked out, a whole lot of people are going to leave. For instance, I lost count around 48975903 being BXR'd by Cav, a council leader. So its a fine line of exactly whats cheating, and whats punishable. I know it may never happen, but personaly, PERSONALLY I think that button glitching, superbouncing, and action replay should all be legal.

The only one that is not legal is action replay. Action replay is allowed for montage's. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO WIN THE GAME! Un-****ing believable that this is so un-****ing clear! Read the honor code! Someone please tell me where button glitching is? Anyone! Nope, because its not there. Corona STFU! Remember when we talked about drama? This would be considered drama in my book due to the fact that I know for a fact that you know the rules. So your nonsence about Cav only annoys me! You are a ****ing section leader who knows the rules. Don't play like you don't just to have something to type!

Read the Honor Code! If there is any thing un clear let me know!

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

Noone said you can't super bounce in match making! You just can't do it to give yourself an unfair advantage. ie. With the bomb, odd ball, flag. If you want to be the nub I shoot off of the top of Zanzibar with my BR go ahead. I think it is a waste for people to do it but if you want to go ahead. NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. MEANS GIVE THE OTHER TEAM A CHANCE TO SCORE THE OBJECTIVE. IF IT IS A SLAYER THEN SUPERBOUNCING WOULD NOT MATTER. USE GOOD JUDGEMENT. COMMON SENSE.

 

[Jangles]

lol 007 let me get this straight, the honor code hasnt even really been changed and all this drama got started out of no where. correct me if im wrong but thats the way it looks.

 

[Aye aye Captain]

I'd say figuring out the bxr is more or less like a combo move in a game similar to street fighter... Its not like its this rediculous button combination that kills the entire other team in an instant. Think about it.


and to be honest, im defending something I dont even use... I can never remember to bxr i only ever just melee.

 

[XGC Shadows 117]

That sucks i didnt think button glitching needs to be inforced but i dont care about the buttons all it is, is just quickness of the fingers. I dont consider it cheating nor an unfair advantage. Beacause if you can find time to use the buttons in that manner then you are a very good halo 2 player. Please contact me by game or phone 0 0 7.
sincerly yours,
XGC BAD BOY XL

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

That sucks i didnt think button glitching needs to be inforced but i dont care about the buttons all it is, is just quickness of the fingers. I dont consider it cheating nor an unfair advantage. Beacause if you can find time to use the buttons in that manner then you are a very good halo 2 player. Please contact me by game or phone 0 0 7.
sincerly yours,
XGC BAD BOY XL

I love you bad boy!

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

I'd say figuring out the bxr is more or less like a combo move in a game similar to street fighter... Its not like its this rediculous button combination that kills the entire other team in an instant. Think about it.


and to be honest, im defending something I dont even use... I can never remember to bxr i only ever just melee.

You are right! Thanks. What is the big deal any ways?

 

[Nepenthe Amity]

I thought you all had some hard hittin questions for me! All I get it chit chat! Some one as some hard **** please! Hell anything! Just make it interesting!

can you add me to your friends list double 0? i want to play with a council member, i've played with every other raking person just not Council!! ahh

 

[SYN Corona]

wow, I guess I need to put faces all the time so you know wether im pissed, joking, laughing, etc. I dont see where I stirred up any drama man. Usually I do, but not this time. I simply said that 1... there is different levels of cheating, because there is. Modding gets you banned from xbox live, button glitching gets you to mlg. And 2, I said that action replay isnt that bad. I never said im going to argue and get it ok to use. I just dont think having a list of custom games, and different camera angles are a bad thing. Thats just my opinion, not something im going to pursue or anything. I know the rules, and I live the rules. Before XG I played in modded custom games all the time, and honestly I had alot of fun. But because Im in XG I havent done that for over a year now. No matter how fun it is. Sorry for the confusion. Anything else, please just wait till im on the box, then we can talk about it there.

P.S. I love you to badboy!

 

[XGC Maggnus]

Saying anyone can learn it is just saying if everyone can learn how to cheat, then its ok because then everyone is on a level playing field. No matter how you try to construe it, animation glitching, and getting your character into places not originally intended, is cheating. It is not how the game was designed to be played. I don't see why it's so hard to see. Those of us out there that choose not to learn glitches, shouldnt have to learn them just to be able to defend ourselves against it or to better compete. I already quoted earlier in the thread the section of the recruiting script, the thing we use to bring members into XG, that says "XGC likes to play the game the way it was meant to be played". Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like it says were not supposed to be glitching or anything of the sort.

-Maggnus

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

007,
The discussion was not meant to stir up drama.
The intial question from a few hundred of our members was,
Are button Glitches and Super Bouncing allowed and at what times can they be used if so?

For many months people have stated that, button glitches are allowed regardless when you use them. Then, super bouncing is not allowed in matching making when playing objective games.

However, some people who follow the honorcode closely interpret to mean what it says -

Honor Code violations consist of trash talking, t-bagging, discrimination, racism, sexism, harassment, illegal drugs, cheating, poaching, squad deranking, or any other aggressive behavior toward fellow online gamers. Cheating is defined as any manipulation of online play; this includes, but not limited to modding, bridging, stand-bying, forcing host, glitching / super jumping in match making to gain an unfair advantage, playing online custom/ranked games with Modders, and circle boosting.

With the above statement in the honorcode, the debate began that any glitches / jumping that gave someone an unfair advantage would not be allowed.

My personal opinion of what that statement means is as I have stated, any glitches / super bouncing in match making can give someone an unfair advantage so I don't do it. In trying to answer again, the questions from the hundreds of members in our community, I have said exactly that as have others.

If you pick up a sniper and jump up on top of some building that no one can defend against your shooting them, is that not an unfair advantage?

When looking this type of thing up on Bungie,
they state that
1. they did not put those glitches or juper bouncing in the game
2. they classify them all as cheating in their matchmaking system and you can be reported or actually should be reported for doing them

When you read what they have to say on glitches and / super bouncing and add in what our honorcode says, most people determine it to mean what the words say -
Doing them to gain an UNFAIR advantage which can be reported as CHEATING is not allowed in XGC.

We all know that those that use these as part of their game tend to do so because they want to exploit the "bugs" (what bungie calls them) in the game to their advantage.

As someone above stated, and I have heard many Division leaders and Council members say, XG is about playing the game the way it was meant to be.

BUGS in the game per the maker of the game are not to be used in their match making system so it was not meant to be played that way and doing so can in fact get you reported as cheating for using them.

If you are saying that they are allowed in objective games, then great that is the answer people needed to hear and I am sure they all will be happy that use the bugs. For me, I am done with this thing as it has taken up every moment of me being online the last two weeks dealing with everyones whining or complaining.

I will say this, If people left or want to leave because they can't super bounce or use a button glitch then maybe we did not want them in XG anyways. I mean, really this is so minor an issue but people have made it out to be a life threatening event.

It is nuts to think people can get so emotional over a game yet can't deal with real life issues at all.

As for the other stuff Corona and I were talking about, I agree, Modding in custom games and action replay probably could be allowed. Especially if GLITCHES are allowed why not?

I mean, who doesn't want to flying around the maps in a warthog or shoot grenades from a plasma pistol?

The custom games that can be played surely bring back the FUN that so many are missing in this game. Whether or not they were meant to be in the game or not, they are part of it as are the Glitches and Super Bounces. If you allow them to be used at anytime then I say again, why not the other stuff?

Now, before you hit me with the NO Drama stuff, realize it is not my agenda to bring this up to cause drama. Hell, it is not me that brings it up at all. It is the hundreds of members of this community that play HALO 2 that bug me daily about it for the last 10 months.

They are asking to be able to do these things to bring back the FUN to a game they choose and love to play.

What do the Division Leaders and Council say on those questions from it's members?

Also, I have had the question of whether or not this issue pertains to other games as well. I have stated yes the honorcode covers all games period as it is the community honorcode not HALO2 honorcode.


ADDED THIS taken from another thread -
Yep, it's in a Podtacular podcast with KP from Bungie, which can be found here:
http://cache.libsyn.com/podtacular/podtacular94.mp3
In this interview KP specifically states (in regards to super bouncing), "It's not up for debate. It is cheating." He then goes on to say that it should be reported, and how.

 

[Jangles]

can you add me to your friends list double 0? i want to play with a council member, i've played with every other raking person just not Council!! ahh

007 told me he doesnt play halo any more, he just chills in the pregame for anyone that needs to talk to him

 

[Nepenthe Amity]

007 told me he doesnt play halo any more, he just chills in the pregame for anyone that needs to talk to him

naw, i dont care about halo, just anygame like

Gears of War
Splintercell Double Agent
Rainbow Six Vegas
Lost Planet
NFS Most Wanted


any game that i play lol

 

[Jangles]

lol, well in that case you might be in luck

 

[SYN Corona]

Awesome post Hylander!!! Just like I said, there is a fine line that is walked when someone button glitches or superbounces. Its not very clearly defined in the honor code. It says no cheating, then it says cheating consists of but is not limited to... then it lists some, bungie, the creator of the game, considers superbouncing and button glitches cheating. So its kind of tough.

Once again, no one tried to stir up any drama (for a change ) We were just speaking our opinions. We are allowed to do that. Ive been here for over a year, I used to love playing custom modded games, and talking major trash. I dont do either one anymore, and havent, because I Know the rules. I never said I was going to change the rules, or that they suck, its my choice to be here, and if Im going to be here I have to play by the rules, its that simple and I know that.

Oh, and lithium, a sure bet to play with double, is to get Fear, 1 its a pretty kick *** game, and 2, he rapes at it.

 

[Nepenthe Amity]

Oh, and lithium, a sure bet to play with double, is to get Fear, 1 its a pretty kick *** game, and 2, he rapes at it.

I didnt Like FEAR to Keep it, But i might just go out and rent it for a few days, and if i do that its on a weekend.

FEAR dissapointed me. But hey its a game, not everyone is supposed to like every single Game, Right?

 

[SYN Corona]

Definately. For instance I hated Gears of War when I first got it. But now I absolutely love playing it. Same thing with FEAR, I liked the story, but not online. Then I started playing with a bunch of XG guys, and I love that now too. Everyones got different tastes, you just gotta find yours

 

[Nepenthe Amity]

Definately. For instance I hated Gears of War when I first got it. But now I absolutely love playing it. Same thing with FEAR, I liked the story, but not online. Then I started playing with a bunch of XG guys, and I love that now too. Everyones got different tastes, you just gotta find yours

Its probably why i didnt Like FEAR, cause i didnt give it a chance with my XG Guys and Gals, d*** it, oh well.

 

[SYN Corona]

lol, yea its always more fun winning then losing. nah, it always makes a difference if you got people to play with or not. Like I wouldnt go play it alone like I do halo or gears, but if someone else is there, its always fun.