YOU GUYS ARE WEAK!

[XGC Coleslaw XI]

if there was ever a fear tourny... it'd be over before it ever began... when it's coleslaw and 007 on the same team (our record together is like a bazillion and 0) we've each lost like a total of 3 games a piece ever... but that's because we didn't play together and got stuck with people on our team that didn't "play well with others"...

 

[SYN Corona]

Well I did boxing for about 2 years, which really tought me that one of the best ways to get good at something, is to go against people that are better then you. I dont want to do a tourney to win it (inless money was invovled ) but just to do one to have fun, and change life up a bit on the box. I think its something that should be added to XGL, and I think XGL needs to hurry up and get running already!

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

Trust me we are working on it!

 

[XGC Pentagram]

hey 007, I have been rather bored lately, and found this thread, I think that it would be good if a council member went and made a final say on this issue. The thread is about the updated honor code saying "no glitching or superbouncing in matchmaking to gain an unfair advantage"

The wording of this can be interpreted many different ways, and the people on this thread seemed to want some unified policy on superbouncing

http://www.xiledgaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2894

thanks for being on the forums so much, and quelling these dramatic issues

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Pentagram, I will be bringing this up at the meetings on Sunday.
However, if you read the statement in the honorcode and my posts without listening to anyone else, it actually is clear in what it says.

It says glitches and super bouncing are not allowed in match making if they give you an unfair advantage.

So, what is an unfair advantage?
grabbing a sniper and running to hide up on top of a building is probably an unfair advantage.
grabbing the ball and jumping up on a building or out of the map is probably an unfair advantage.
jumping up on a mountain or top of the map to check out the view, well, that is just fun for the right people.

Regardless, let's see what happens after the meetings on Sunday before we get into any further discussions on this topic. After that, then we can see how things go. Thanks.

 

[XGC Pentagram]

i didnt mean to step on your toes, I just thought that if a council member gave a final word on it, then people would stop challenging each other for what it meant.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Dude, you are not stepping on anyones toes. Don't take things so serious after all this is still just a bunch of games we are playing here not life or death or even bills & laws. LOL!

 

[XGC Pentagram]

Im not taking it seriously, I do what I do, which is Super Jumping to take down other super jumpers, or in unranked games where people quit out

I just wanted it to get cleared up. If it was worded better, then people wouldnt have to make a thread like this.

It doesnt bug me, I have always decided that Super Jumping wasnt that big of a deal, as long as people werent taking objective items, or having someone leave the map and then the rest of the team quitting. I just didnt have anything better to do, so I let 007 know that people were confused about the honor code, and I think that you (Hylander) handled it well, I just thought that to have a Council Member make a definite statement on the matter would stop anyone from worrying about it

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

Hylander hit the nail on the head. To most or the average gamer on HALO 2 it is viewed as cheating. We dont want the average gamer who could be a great member of XG thinking we are cheating. Plus it is kind of retarted to do. What really does it do. I've never lost to someone who has done it unless they drop the ball through the map or throw the bomb outside the map. The way it is worded is fine. The problem is, is that people who do this want to find a way around how it is worded. There is no way around it. It is what it is. You don't need to super bounce to kill a super bouncer. You can do it just fine from the ground. That is like saying I need to bridge to beat modders. Not the case. I would like to talk to both of you on the issue though.

 

[XGC Pentagram]

so superjumping is a no?

clarification is nice, i appreciate it.

 

[blondiizzle]

Hey - I'm sorry. I have been following this whole conversation. Let me try to summarize.

Super bouncing and button glitches are viewed as cheating by both bungie, and many other players. It gives you an unfair advantage. It makes XG look bad to people who feel that it is cheating. We want people who have the integrity to not cheat, and if this deters them from joining the XG, we want no part of it.

No Superbouncing
No Button Glitches
Period

 

[XGC Maggnus]

Below is an exerpt from the XGC Recruiting script.....

"XGC believes the game should be played the way it was meant to be played and have fun."

Superbouncing is a glitch in the game, a flaw in the HaVoc gaming engine and are not intended to be part of the gameplay. Superbouncing and button glitches are not the way the game was intended to be played and go against the very line typed in the recruiting script.

-Maggnus

 

[blondiizzle]

Jeremiah - Bungie Online Team

Don't call them "glitches" - that's just a candy coated term and does not accurately describe what they are. They're bugs that alter the intended functionality of the weapons and gameplay.

What you do in tournaments on LAN is between you and your tournament organization, but do not advocate the exploitation of bugs being used in our matchmaking service. Whether it's superbouncing or interrupting weapon animations, just because we don't personally ban you for it doesn't mean it isn't cheating and extremely poor sportsmanship.

We only issue suspensions for modified content and network manipulation, Xbox Live administrates all other aspects of cheating or social issues.

When I see someone superbounce or use weapon exploits, I leave cheating feedback, I suggest you do as well.

Source - Button Glitches Too

Thanks for this Maggnus

 

[XGC x0 0 7x XI]

They can be done, just not in match making. BOTTOM LINE, NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES! IF YOU FEEL IT IS CHEATING DON'T DO IT. REALLY, DOES IT HELP ANYONE? NO. IT IS RETARTED TO DO AND I USUALLY JUST KILL THE NUB WHO DOES IT. NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES!

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

I believe both of these issues, PRO Team and using these glitches have something in common. So many seemed to join XGC or other clans thinking they were going to be part of some special group or PRO players and glitchers.

When in reality 95% of our members couldn't finish last in these PRO tourney's nor have any idea about the glitches that people do. Some just don't care about them at all. I have never once did a super jump. I tried long ago but never cared about seeing the sky or getting outside a map. I mean, wtf ? When would being outside the map do me any good in a match?

Most people that play this game, don't even know how to do these things. Those that do have taken the game a few steps further by exploiting the bugs in it.

To me, I don't think there is a problem with using glitches or some mods when done so in a closed custom game with others that are aware of them. There is a world of difference though from what I am saying about mods and what the idiot cheaters use in matchmaking to get a number besides their name that they can't back up. The same idiots then de-level which is just as bad in my book.

I have been in a modded custom game once way back in April of 2006 which was a month after I joined XGC. I went into an open party where some people not in XGC where playing. My intention was to recruit them as they had been on my freinds list for some time. In that game, the map was actually very cool looking and they were just hanging out. After sitting there dumbfounded beings I really had no clue about mods or anything else, I left the match after about 2 minutes. Were they bad people? Nope. Most were like level 20 something and I am almost 100% sure they never once went into match matching and used any mods to cheat. However, they did mod for their own enjoyment. I have been told that Action Replay allows you to download countless custom games. Many of which sound very cool. However, our community does not allow them. So I don't even consider them at all.

I have seen them via vids online and my son freakin loves that stuff as his first KoG clan had a bunch of glitchers and modders in it which is why he is no longer in that clan and neither are those others that had them. He was 6 years old at the time (just turned 7 this month) so the idea of some funky looking maps and jumping out of them is pretty cool. Again, I say for the record, even if my opinion is that they are cool in a custom game, our honorcode states that you are not allowed to play in them.

So, DON"T DO IT. As stated over and over again, NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES. The whole idea here is to play the game as it was meant to be played and do your best to not get owned the right way.

Bungie says it, our honorcode says it so that is the way it is. Go play and have fun.

 

[SYN Corona]

This issue is, and forever will be never-ending. I myself am torn between the 2 sides. On one hand, cheating is cheating, manipulation of the game = cheating. On the other hand, I used to play modded custom games constantly. It was pretty cool to just go in, and throw rockets instead of grenades, fly a hog, or even just a turret. The guys I played with hated cheating in matchmaking, they never did it. Just hung out and had fun in custom games.

Then superbouncing to me is definately no where as bad. Nor button glitching. These are defects in the game, that Bungie is aware of, and they are used numerous times a day, even at the mlg tourneys. TO me they are not an unfair advantage, because ANYONE can do them if they practice them. No one just picks up the game and can do them, just like sports in real life, or anything, you have to practice to get good at it. And Action Replay definately should be legal, thats no where close to being as bad, once again, it enhances game ply by offering many custom games, it adds a certain spice to the video's in montages. Just my oppinion, cant do it cuz of the honorr code, but yea.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Corona,
I am guessing over the year of exsistence others have come before with these same type of opinions but, would it be worth raising the idea of allowing Action Replay to play custom games?

Don't people get banned from matchmaking for cheating?
So, wouldn't it be easy to know who was doing the cheating?
Or am I confused?

With HALO3 coming out later in the year it may not even be worth the effort to try and get something like this approved but even still, I have a lot of people that love HALO2 and have walked away from XG altogether because of not being able to hang in custom modded games.

What are your thoughts?
Anyone?

 

[BuNiTe]

Yo i was just browsing through and i saw this thread. Now 007 or whoever else in here, what is going on with this whole button glitching thing. i don't have time to read all of this. So will someone let me know what is going on and what is the problem with BXR and BXB?

 

[SYN K1NG XC]

everyone can learn how to bxb and bxr its not a unfair advantage. i just learned it and have been getting better at it. anyone and everyone can learn how to bxr and bxb.

 

[SYN Corona]

Thats what I mean, there is different intensitys of cheating. To bungie everything from button glitching- superbouncing- standbying- modding is all cheating. Now when someone is modding or standbying in matchmaking, boot them. Thats just ridiculous. But if button glitching and superbouncing is going to get people kicked out, a whole lot of people are going to leave. For instance, I lost count around 48975903 being BXR'd by Cav, a council leader. So its a fine line of exactly whats cheating, and whats punishable. I know it may never happen, but personaly, PERSONALLY I think that button glitching, superbouncing, and action replay should all be legal.