In the words of George Orwell, "If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." – Or more classicaly put by John Stuart Mills "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." What does everyone think of free speech as applied to the XG community?
FREE SPEECH
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Arcameli,
In response to your question, I believe, issues like Free Speech, Politics, religion and many other more personal matters are not valid in our community. This is a gaming community not a debate community that discusses those types of issues. If people like to talk about that stuf then they can do so one on one or join other communities that have those things as their primary topics of discussion. Ours is gaming.
AS XG members, can we speak freely to all in the community?
Yes we can. There is an open door policy all the way up to the Council.
However, our community has rules and regulations that need to be followed.
The first thing for all members to refer to is the honorcode. No one for the sake of using the Free Speech argument can speak to someone else in a disrespectful manner. Everyone should follow the chain of command in order to get any issues resolved. If the issues are not closed then it will be escalated to the next higher rank. Keep in mind something though, just because an issue does not get resolved the way the person initiating it wants it to be does not mean they have to proceed with bringing it up over and over again to others. Sometimes an issue is resolved and a decision is made properly on the first go round. We all need to learn to live with that.
In the past, we did have leaders who did things differently. They made decisions that might not have been the same as other leaders. We are working very hard to insure the leadership is making consistent decisions on all things in XG. I feel all our current leaders are focused on doing just that. In time being consistent with our decisions will help fix several issues that many have in XG to include some of your concerns from other posts.
I hope my response has been helpful.
In response to your question, I believe, issues like Free Speech, Politics, religion and many other more personal matters are not valid in our community. This is a gaming community not a debate community that discusses those types of issues. If people like to talk about that stuf then they can do so one on one or join other communities that have those things as their primary topics of discussion. Ours is gaming.
AS XG members, can we speak freely to all in the community?
Yes we can. There is an open door policy all the way up to the Council.
However, our community has rules and regulations that need to be followed.
The first thing for all members to refer to is the honorcode. No one for the sake of using the Free Speech argument can speak to someone else in a disrespectful manner. Everyone should follow the chain of command in order to get any issues resolved. If the issues are not closed then it will be escalated to the next higher rank. Keep in mind something though, just because an issue does not get resolved the way the person initiating it wants it to be does not mean they have to proceed with bringing it up over and over again to others. Sometimes an issue is resolved and a decision is made properly on the first go round. We all need to learn to live with that.
In the past, we did have leaders who did things differently. They made decisions that might not have been the same as other leaders. We are working very hard to insure the leadership is making consistent decisions on all things in XG. I feel all our current leaders are focused on doing just that. In time being consistent with our decisions will help fix several issues that many have in XG to include some of your concerns from other posts.
I hope my response has been helpful.
If a discussion of free speech is a "personal matter" and "is not valid in our community" then you might as well lock this thread as I don't want to confuse more issues and cause pointless drama, although to do so would put us about shoulder deep in irony. I would argue that a discussion about free speech is quite relevant to a group based on communication and networking, but this would be looking at the bigger picture which as I've recently come to realize is not my place to do.
Arc,
I believe that your intentions are good. However, I think your big picture seems to be that of something way more than just a Gaming Community.
Discussion is great but it also has it's place. When I get on the forums, I want to talk about gaming not political or other issues. I leave those behind once I sign in to the forums. When I sign on XBL, I want to play games not sit in parties and discuss tons of wordly issues. We do that in our real life enough already.
No one is telling you not to bring up new ideas or concerns. If they have, tell me their name please.
If you want to discuss this stuff with people, feel free to do so but, do so one on one with them or in your own groups. When you bring it to a public forum, it will always get out of hand. Sorry, but this is the sad truth as there is always going to be someone that gets offended , hurt or upset about something said and sure enough an argument will form.
This is DRAMA that no one wants in our GAMING Community.
By the way, there is a place called the VENT which is held every Saturday on XBL where people discuss every and any issue possible. It has been a very popular thing that many who thought they wouldn't stay around have actually jumped in and participated. Get with XGC Vader if you are interested in joining.
I believe that your intentions are good. However, I think your big picture seems to be that of something way more than just a Gaming Community.
Discussion is great but it also has it's place. When I get on the forums, I want to talk about gaming not political or other issues. I leave those behind once I sign in to the forums. When I sign on XBL, I want to play games not sit in parties and discuss tons of wordly issues. We do that in our real life enough already.
No one is telling you not to bring up new ideas or concerns. If they have, tell me their name please.
If you want to discuss this stuff with people, feel free to do so but, do so one on one with them or in your own groups. When you bring it to a public forum, it will always get out of hand. Sorry, but this is the sad truth as there is always going to be someone that gets offended , hurt or upset about something said and sure enough an argument will form.
This is DRAMA that no one wants in our GAMING Community.
By the way, there is a place called the VENT which is held every Saturday on XBL where people discuss every and any issue possible. It has been a very popular thing that many who thought they wouldn't stay around have actually jumped in and participated. Get with XGC Vader if you are interested in joining.
Nicely said hylander i agree completely we are the xiled gaming community not a chat site our function is gaming we game and in a way set up by the founding fathers and respected by its members and if we cant abide by these rules and follow the structure then we dont belong here if you wannatalk about gaming go ahead but we dont want to have to argue or hear your heated comments about things that dont apply.
I hear ya... any of you guys play Tony Hawk Project 8? I just got it and it's a really sick game. I haven't tried online yet... do any of you have it?
umm... I just want to throw in my two cents here, what is the problem with discussing any topics on the forums?
Hylander, if you dont want to talk politics, then dont, nobody forces you to go on these forums and type up responses, and nobody makes you sit in the pregame lobby to talk either. Some people like to do that sort of thing, and I dont think its drama to have a healthy debate, as long as people arent going to be jerks about it.
Again, I here both sides, and I understand, what with other threads being so full of drama and other garbage, your desire to keep these things to a minimum, but I think that it is cool to be able to have discussions and debates online here, since I can be on here several times during the day instead of having to get online for the vent, which is schedualed during a conflict for me.
Just my two cents, I think that people should have freedom of speech, but just like in real life, there are consequences for people who run their mouths. I had to follow up to get a recruit booted from XG because he was calling my captain a f4ggot. Sure, he had the RIGHT to say it, but because he said it, he was booted. So freedom of speach is never 100% free, because anybody, anywhere can say whatever they want, but the reprocutions are always different. It isnt really a black and white thing, so I think that people should not be allowed to say whatever they want, because, as Hylander said, we have a little thing called the honor code, and its there for a reason. We need to abide by it, although I think some people take it a little too seriously, like Frogg from Zealots forum, using the language filter to its full advantage. Should Zealot just turn the other cheek? No, he should have the RIGHT to stand up for himself, because that seems more important to me then not talking back at all.
whoo, I have a lot of two cents!!!
Hylander, if you dont want to talk politics, then dont, nobody forces you to go on these forums and type up responses, and nobody makes you sit in the pregame lobby to talk either. Some people like to do that sort of thing, and I dont think its drama to have a healthy debate, as long as people arent going to be jerks about it.
Again, I here both sides, and I understand, what with other threads being so full of drama and other garbage, your desire to keep these things to a minimum, but I think that it is cool to be able to have discussions and debates online here, since I can be on here several times during the day instead of having to get online for the vent, which is schedualed during a conflict for me.
Just my two cents, I think that people should have freedom of speech, but just like in real life, there are consequences for people who run their mouths. I had to follow up to get a recruit booted from XG because he was calling my captain a f4ggot. Sure, he had the RIGHT to say it, but because he said it, he was booted. So freedom of speach is never 100% free, because anybody, anywhere can say whatever they want, but the reprocutions are always different. It isnt really a black and white thing, so I think that people should not be allowed to say whatever they want, because, as Hylander said, we have a little thing called the honor code, and its there for a reason. We need to abide by it, although I think some people take it a little too seriously, like Frogg from Zealots forum, using the language filter to its full advantage. Should Zealot just turn the other cheek? No, he should have the RIGHT to stand up for himself, because that seems more important to me then not talking back at all.
whoo, I have a lot of two cents!!!
I dont disagree with what you said im not saying people cant but a lot of the time when people do it does turn into drama and cause problems so if ur going to and u see its starting a problem then you need to cut it off but people wont do that if its a debate they are in to they'll keep going on even if its making someone mad or upset. I am saying that if you are going to have the maturity to know when to knock it off.
Pentagram, The issue here is we are a gaming community not the debate forums. You have to draw the line somewhere and what we all know is people lose their minds on these forums when you start talking about real life issues. I am not telling anyone what they can or can not post here. I am recommended and suggesting based on things I have heard from other leaders and my own experiences while in XG.
I personally don't care what you guys think on real life issues but when it comes to gaming and our community, I am all ears and want to be involved 100%. Do you get what I am saying with that?
If people do start those discussions, yeah, it is a choice not to join in but, it is preferred that we don't go there at all.
Don't take me wrong here but I know you came form the confusing world of bills and laws that had lots of cool political things happen to include voting on generals and such, BUT, the rest of us are only here to network with others, play some games and have fun!!
All that other stuff, means nothing to me when I am XGC HYLANDER XL.
Arc, I have Tony Hawk and yes that is a very sick game. Sick in many ways to!! My son has played it more then I have and he loves to just do jumps and see how many bones he can break. LOL!!
I personally don't care what you guys think on real life issues but when it comes to gaming and our community, I am all ears and want to be involved 100%. Do you get what I am saying with that?
If people do start those discussions, yeah, it is a choice not to join in but, it is preferred that we don't go there at all.
Don't take me wrong here but I know you came form the confusing world of bills and laws that had lots of cool political things happen to include voting on generals and such, BUT, the rest of us are only here to network with others, play some games and have fun!!
All that other stuff, means nothing to me when I am XGC HYLANDER XL.
Arc, I have Tony Hawk and yes that is a very sick game. Sick in many ways to!! My son has played it more then I have and he loves to just do jumps and see how many bones he can break. LOL!!
to answer your question arc, i have the game, its a pretty bad *** game. we should play some time. CHEA!!!
all i gatta say is .. "political issues and real life problems are all i am and mainly what i like to talk about w/e my name is because i feel thats the most important aspect in life." but im not gonna lie and say when i get on xbox i dont wanna play some Slayer and have some fun .. W00t.. thats Vader's 1 and a 1/2 cents. .. and go potatoes.... woot.
I definitely leave everything behind. In the first couple of days that I got XBL I found some of my most trusted friends here in XG before I brought them in. We had been playing for a couple of days and I was deeply involved in politics, and there was an election. One of them mentioned the vote, and we started talking about it. Well, needless to say we agreed never to speak about politics again on XBL, luckily we were all mature enough to say that, I like hanging around with you, you are fun to play with, but if we discuss politics again, it isn't going to end up pretty.
A couple of days later, I got recruited into Nightmare, and then brought them in as well. Five months have passed, and we still play together on almost a daily basis, and when we play, the most that we will get into is discussions about halo, the clan, the community, and people's kids and jobs. Had we continued to talk politics, I can't say that that would be the case, and it makes me sad to even consider the possibility.
We are a large group of people who ALL have ONE thing in common - gaming. That's what we're here for. I don't WANT to dislike anyone for any reason, I choose who I prefer to play with based on their personality and dedication to XG as a whole, the vision and the community.
Now, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a friendly discussion (I still want to get in on the vent at some point in time) but in doing so I am choosing to participate in a separate conversation that I feel is private and removed from the overall community being.
Anywho, there's my cents... someone else can count them if they want to know how much there is
A couple of days later, I got recruited into Nightmare, and then brought them in as well. Five months have passed, and we still play together on almost a daily basis, and when we play, the most that we will get into is discussions about halo, the clan, the community, and people's kids and jobs. Had we continued to talk politics, I can't say that that would be the case, and it makes me sad to even consider the possibility.
We are a large group of people who ALL have ONE thing in common - gaming. That's what we're here for. I don't WANT to dislike anyone for any reason, I choose who I prefer to play with based on their personality and dedication to XG as a whole, the vision and the community.
Now, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a friendly discussion (I still want to get in on the vent at some point in time) but in doing so I am choosing to participate in a separate conversation that I feel is private and removed from the overall community being.
Anywho, there's my cents... someone else can count them if they want to know how much there is
Je ne sais pas... if you say so... I love Cat and Mouse - and posting in the forums when I'm dead
hylander i c ur point and agree with it but there are some ways in witch our speech and decisions as leaders can be taken away as captains or genereals or any other rank in power
in the discription of a captain it says this we must be able to have sound decision making and dedication and not with all squads but with some there are times where the generals decide to leave all running up to the captains then they see something isnt running right even when the captains are close to having said problem gone and the clan back on track and the decide to change it and there is nothing the captains can really do with speech because we have to be careful to hold a respectfull tone. and sometimes the things that the generals do hurt the clan more then help i feel that it should be looked at to give captains a slighty more say in some of the decision making because i have seen this happen to clans and it throw them down a hard path to recovering when they were just starting to get the clan running well thats al i really have to say is for the generals who do not do muh in a clan and leave most of the running to the captains those captains should have a bit more say in matters like that
in the discription of a captain it says this we must be able to have sound decision making and dedication and not with all squads but with some there are times where the generals decide to leave all running up to the captains then they see something isnt running right even when the captains are close to having said problem gone and the clan back on track and the decide to change it and there is nothing the captains can really do with speech because we have to be careful to hold a respectfull tone. and sometimes the things that the generals do hurt the clan more then help i feel that it should be looked at to give captains a slighty more say in some of the decision making because i have seen this happen to clans and it throw them down a hard path to recovering when they were just starting to get the clan running well thats al i really have to say is for the generals who do not do muh in a clan and leave most of the running to the captains those captains should have a bit more say in matters like that
Unbroken, sounds like you have some deeper things to discuss so let's do it on XBL and see if we can't figure something out that makes sense for everyone.
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sry hylander but im off live till sometime not known to me yet because of a broken 360 if u have aim or something though pm me it and ill hit u up on there
It wasnt bad. I have seen better,but its been one of the best I hve seen in the last couple of months.